Scoop 0 #1 September 7, 2006 OK, I remember some posters out there saying they possessed some serious hardware and all were held legally to UK firearms laws. I paticularly recall seeing a photo of a rifle on the range. So whos got them and what are they? NOTE: I'm not here to debate on whether control is too strict or not, thats been done to death (pardon the pun) or any issues of gun crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #2 September 7, 2006 Friends of friends of mine are Second World War reenactors and own fully automatic weapons (machine guns like Bren Guns, MG42s and what not) under a Section V firearms certificate. Can't think what photo you're referring to though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #3 September 7, 2006 I've found some legislation and websites displaying what weapons can be legally owned here and its actually quite easy to get hold if your a member of a club. Pinched the following off a gun enthusiast (right terminlogy) website... QuoteIn short we can own: Semi auto Shotguns: yep Semi Auto .22 rimfire: yep Bolt action rifles - yep any cal, no mag restrictions (no full bore semiauto/pump action rifles) Lever Action rifles - yep Black Powder pistols/rifles/shotguns yep Pistols - Only long barreled pistols with OAL greater than 600mm (Think Taurus Sillouette) Sound Moderators/Cans - Yep Our AR's simply have no gas system, manual recock for each shot. As long as you don't have a criminal record, and arent excempt from obtaining firearms then you can apply to the Police for a licence. You have to apply and provide good reason for each cal that you want to own/use. Firearms are kept at home. We can shoot targets on Government approved ranges or hunt on private land. ------------------------------------ The Home Office guidelines document (2002) refers to the following activites that are allowed for 'good reason'. Some of them are a little unusual, and are probably never or seldom used...Whether or not the Police would view them all as constituting good reason is another matter entirely however... The two most obvious ones are: Quarry shooting, including shooting pest species (vermin) and others including deer, and game over land. Target shooting Other include: Handguns of Historical Importance Collection of firearms Trophies of War Controlling Races Signalling apparatus Historical re-enactment Theatrical use Treating Animals Slaughtering Humane Killing of Animals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #4 September 7, 2006 Do you mean this picture When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #5 September 7, 2006 Quote Do you mean this picture Gee, I always thought you were better looking than that We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #6 September 7, 2006 Haha, yeah thats the one. Thats what first made me think.. huh. You can own stuff like that! So I've done some research and me likey! I really enjoyed shooting rifles, if only .22 from my time as an army cadet and shall be making enquiries with local gun club What else you got? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #7 September 7, 2006 A whole shit load of shot guns, (I really love Damascus barrels). I sold most of my stuff when I moved out of the country into the city. The cool stuff all went before that though following 97. I only have a Martini Henry left now, (that saw action in the Zulu War - I always went for the historical stuff). The rest are still in my fathers name. I used to own a shit load of de-acts too (and I do mean a shit load - at one time or other I've owned pretty much half the WWII small arms you could name. I only have an SMLE MkIII* left now and I think that’s simply too beautiful to part with so I guess I probably never will. My BREN gun was the last to go before that – another fine piece of engineering, perhaps without the finesse of the SMLE. The bayonet collection is still pretty big mind… but since I just leave all those under my bed I guess you could say I kinda lost interest in any further acquisitions for the moment... 'bout the same time I started jumping come to think of it... I was getting into black powder muzzle loaders just before I moved away from the country too. I really mean to get back into that some day. Always wanted to own an original, (and still in proof), Baker rifle, (C1800 – first ever rifle to enter full time service, (save for the Ferguson of course, though that was more of an experiment... but I digress)). Almost guarantee I will some day. My next intended purchase is attached - again, fully legal: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #8 September 7, 2006 Quote I used to own a shit load of de-acts too (and I do mean a shit load - at one time or other I've owned pretty much half the WWII small arms you could name. I only have an SMLE MkIII* left now and I think that’s simply too beautiful to part with so I guess I probably never will. My BREN gun was the last to go before that – another fine piece of engineering, perhaps without the finesse of the SMLE. I have a 1917 MkIII* which, like yours is far too elegant to part with. I'm a real history buff, so seeing issue marks on it I can't help speculating about where it might have been. I could probably get 10 - 15 jumps' worth if I sold it, but I can't see myself doing that any time soon. (Interestingly enough, I also have a Canadian 1942 BREN Mk II under my bed which I could conceivably part with, but it's staying put for the time being. It's too iconic of it's period to get rid of on a whim) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #9 September 7, 2006 My BREN was an English one which I bought including a spare barrel, cleaning kit, mags and everything the weapon was originally kicked out of a plane with, all wrapped up in its full para drop box ready for dispatch from a DC3. Now I've got into skydiving I'm absolutely gutted in retrospect that I got rid of it given its link to the paras. It would have made the perfect centre piece to a para related collection. My SMLE is a 1916 but I can't make out any distinguishable unit marks. Another SMLE that did passed through my hands was one manufactured in Oz, packaged up in grease and straw at the end of the 30's and shipped over here. From there it was sent to a warehouse and there is stayed... right up untill the point when some nice men at Witham Militaria in Colchester sold it to me, (they literally opened up the original crate for me that came over from Oz). That was a rather electric moment I tell you. I chose not to keep it in the end though... it was too pristine... to new... and was made with a light, sandy coloured wood; very different than the dark wood found on all other SMLE's I've seen. Somehow it just didn't look right, despite its immaculate nature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 September 7, 2006 On my shopping list... The 105 for gallery and action rifle and the PH85 for comps down at Bisley. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #11 September 7, 2006 QuoteDo you mean this picture Not debating... just wondering about that there rifley type gun. Looks a bit off. Mag - not really .223, Interessting marks on the upper from the injector mold, Not wearing ear protection. Would I be correct in guessing Airsoft or pellet rifle of some sort? (ps.... like it when you post pics without the hoodie ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #12 September 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteDo you mean this picture Not debating... just wondering about that there rifley type gun. Looks a bit off. Mag - not really .223, is it chambered for .22's maybe? the mag does look strange MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 September 7, 2006 Thanks I'ts a .22 rim fire. .223 Semi Autos aren't legal here at the moment.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #14 September 8, 2006 Who said anything about bolt action rifles needing to be only .223 over here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #15 September 8, 2006 No Karen means it looks similar to an .223 AR15 but different.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #16 September 8, 2006 QuoteNo Karen means it looks similar to an .223 AR15 but different. (yup... Great!! you understand "Karen" now. Forget about that English language thing.... I like to speak Karen. I'm just glad there are translators out there ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #17 September 8, 2006 Your welcomeWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #18 September 9, 2006 QuoteFriends of friends of mine are Second World War reenactors and own fully automatic weapons (machine guns like Bren Guns, MG42s and what not) under a Section V firearms certificate. Ah... The good old Section V permit.It's actually a permission to hold "Prohibited-Weapons" on a Section I certificate. A typically British piece of legislation - Just because something's illegal doesn't mean that it must be universally illegal. The most notable Sec.V permit was granted toa guy to posess the various weapons in the attached pic. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #19 September 9, 2006 QuoteI've found some legislation and websites displaying what weapons can be legally owned here and its actually quite easy to get hold if your a member of a club. The Home Office guidelines document (2002) refers to the following activites that are allowed for 'good reason'. Some of them are a little unusual, Other include: Controlling Races Treating Animals These 2x valid reason are abit disconcertingYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #20 September 9, 2006 Nothing wrong with a little bit of ethnic cleansing now and again ... this is of course a joke! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #21 September 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteI've found some legislation and websites displaying what weapons can be legally owned here and its actually quite easy to get hold if your a member of a club. The Home Office guidelines document (2002) refers to the following activites that are allowed for 'good reason'. Some of them are a little unusual, Other include: Controlling Races Treating Animals These 2x valid reason are abit disconcerting Ohhh... there's that language thing again. I read it as like a starters gun for a marathon type of controlling races. Not a culling of the genetically different. Are you sure that we both actually speak English?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #22 September 9, 2006 The law is always open to interpretation. If they didn't wan't confusion they should make it clearer, everyone gather your weapons and persecute the minorities. YAY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #23 September 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteI've found some legislation and websites displaying what weapons can be legally owned here and its actually quite easy to get hold if your a member of a club. The Home Office guidelines document (2002) refers to the following activites that are allowed for 'good reason'. Some of them are a little unusual, Other include: Controlling Races Treating Animals These 2x valid reason are abit disconcerting The first one of those two reasons was introduced after massive numbers of Kosovans, Serbs and Albanians came to the UK. It was introduced to make them feel more at home.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #24 September 9, 2006 Oh fuck, here we go, bootin' fuck out the apple cart again! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #25 September 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteControlling Races Treating Animals These 2x valid reason are abit disconcerting Ohhh... there's that language thing again. I read it as like a starters gun for a marathon type of controlling races. Not a culling of the genetically different. Are you sure that we both actually speak English?! Really Karen, is THAT what it meant OK hands UP all the POMs who knew what I was doing Piss taking is not somthing most Yanks seem to understand I'm well aware that race control did not mean ethnic clensingYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
